In this video I have a look at a Pontiac Torrent that was towed in for a no start, no crank situation. Doesn't take long to find a failed starter motor. Let's get at it! -Enjoy!
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Hey there viewers and welcome back to the self made auto channel. That's our 2006 pontiac torrance. It's got the big 3.4 and it doesn't run uh, and by that i mean it doesn't crank over a lady had it towed in here uh yesterday and we dragged it inside before it went home. So it's nice and warm now because it's like zero out uh, but it doesn't click, it doesn't crank.
It doesn't do anything. The lights light up. Everything appears to be normal. On the inside headlights are nice and bright blower motor spins on high tried it in parking neutral.
Nothing, no clicky, no, nothing! So the first thing we're going to do is get the hood to stay open he's a little rough. So we're going to stick this baby around the hood prop or you can use a pair of vice grips or you can buy a new hood uh shock here, lift support. I guess it would be called so we'll stick that on there and i would say before we get too fancy and get out the big fancy scan tool. Let's just find the starter and just see if we have a bad starter, we're going to need a lovely assistant, suzy, where's, your mother, there's mommy.
Will you help us it's in the park, go ahead and try to crank it show the people what it sounds like show. That's it! That's all you got we're gon na raise her up in here. You sit tight all right folks, so here we are. We found a starter which, fortunately, for us this is an easy one to get to so.
First thing: first, don't go banging on anything. Let's see if we have power here at the starter, we do make sure it's not coming straight through. You know background here: uh go ahead and try and crank it. There miss though you're trying yeah okay quit trying all right.
So we didn't lose power per se. So that's a quick and dirty test and let's see if we i didn't, hear the solenoid click, but i'm gon na go on the other side of the solenoid try to get in there. Oh girl, okay, look at that! So that's the other side of the solenoid! So, okay, try it again! So that's good! That means the starter. Solenoid is engaging.
So that means that means our starter motor is we've got power going to it, let's make sure we're not losing ground. So we're going to check the wire going right down into the starter motor okay go ahead and try it there missile that lights up. The case does not light up, therefore, we're not losing ground. Okay, try it again, but yes, the starter cylinder is working.
So you know therefore jumping the starter solenoid like this. You know i can see. I don't know if you guys can see the sparks coming up off the other end, but uh yeah, our starter is just junk. Let's give it the old, fonzarelli, hey and see if that works, go ahead and try to get in there old girl, all right, you shut it off.
Well, we got one coming. It appears to be the world's easiest starter to change. So that's good. I think we'll take off this little plastic guard here if we can or if we can't give us a little more clearance, make sure you unhook your battery step two. So now we're going to take and unhook the control side of the solenoid here. So, there's that, let's put that stuff to the side for the time being, are these 14 or 15.? Oh 15 is a little loose on there. American 9 16 is bigger than 14, but now they must just be a sloppy 15.. Let's see a little bit loose on the one, not so much on the other.
You can't cut the loose here folks, there's one on the inside trying to catch it. What that's? That's it! Here's your starter, removal video! So you know down there in the comments. If you guys go, read, there's gon na be a ton of comments of people saying you know why don't you just rebuild it eric, oh you're, a loser, uh and that's all true, but snapper or any of the other local parts stores. Nobody stocks starter rebuild kits! No brushes, no solenoids, no nothing most of them.
Don't even have a listing on it, because it's the year 2022. Now back in 1970, when you worked on cars, you know they had that. You know you could rebuild an all right. You rebuild starters, and i know right now that everybody's, like oh, i went on the amazon or i went to starterdingdongs.com and you know they've got the the rebuild kit so yeah, so you get a solenoid, the brushes.
You get everything about 50 bucks shipped to your door, except for that one guy that just found them for 30 on ebay. Then i tear it apart. I rebuild it. I give it back, a customer says: hey, what's my warranty and i say it's the taillights.
You know when i can't see them. Your warranty is up adios, lady or i can sell a high quality starter from napper uh, not a sponsor, but the advantage of that is. I sell it to the customer at a reasonable price about the same price. It would be to repair this one uh, because the labor cost is offset by its ease of installing, and then i give a lifetime warranty on the starter.
I give the two-year peace of mind warranty to your 24 000 parts and label cover for the next two years and roadside assistance. So, in my opinion, uh, which is strictly my opinion, it's better to put in just a a new starter. Even if it's new chinese, um or rebuilt just because i can offer a better warranty and a better service to the customer um. So that's it that's my opinion, but you know what they say about opinions.
They like armpits everybody's got one and some of them stink. Don't mean to sound cynical saying that stuff folks, that's the correct word, but just the cold, hard truth. We're gon na clean up some of this stuff get something to schmoo off the connectors here: shiny, also shiny. Now perhaps if it's your own car and your own starters, certainly i mean if you want to get the kit and save yourself some money, absolutely i'm 100 all for it, but from a shop standpoint it can be.
It can be a tricky subject. We got that silly old, labor cost got no bolts got any bolts here. Folks here we go so so. There's that you know i don't know, maybe uh, maybe you guys can write down what you guys do in your shop. Things have changed folks times are changing. Wrench here, the other thing too, is being an auto care center. We're able to offer - as i mentioned, that peace of mind warranty, which what that does is, let's say this customer, let's say they're out of town they're traveling in the torrent and they break down. They get to their mcdonald's and they're, going east kalamazoo, and this thing craps out on them just take it to a local shop and boom.
They can be covered that they can do it a couple different ways. You know they can pay the shop and get reimbursement from napper parts labor the whole spiel. That's the easiest way to do it. So there are some advantages, but i'm not trying to sell you.
I'm just telling you do what you want. Do what you want people oh, come on baby gon na start it up on there, give that a little click there. Let me get some of the film. Let me get some in between that connection and then just jam that sucker down get her down close and then get your torque wrench finish your off.
There's that once you hear it click then you know you're good, we'll give her a couple toots up there. Oh, that's gon na just give her a girl too, keep her for getting crusty somebody just coated this car boys stack. They did a nice job, we'll see if the old starter works. First, torque your battery back on there.
This is missing a bolt out of it cover back in well, the two remaining screws in it will get them started. Stick the end, computer back on there crank these babies down oh dead sure! No, it's torque! Let's see if she runs contact so well. That's that folks uh, so pretty easy. Of course we got.
The big debate started the rebuild to replace debate. Let's continue that down there in that comment section, let us know what you do and why you do it and uh there are pros and cons to each one of those they're replacing with the you know, new chineseium or rebuilt kinesium or rebuilding with chinese um, and The oe part so, like i say, pros and cons to each down there. Let's talk about it while you're down there subscribe the bell, you ring it, the insti, the facebook. You guys know what to do and just remember i can do it.
You can do it thanks for watching.
Nice n easy, wish they were all that way lol.I wouldn't rebuild anymore either, not wirth it, but have to be careful where you purchase rebuilt units, Autozone and the other big box stores are a crap shoot also.
Can’t stop looking at that oil filter and wondering how many years has it been since that filter been changed. As far as the starter, is it cost effective to have it rebuilt when you can buy one with a warranty. Sometimes the level of difficulty in removing the starter your better off with a new one.
I concur with Eric. I worked in the electronics industry for many decades. It used to be cheaper to rebuild than to replace with new/rebuilt, but now like Eric stated, parts are hard to find. The time to chase parts, disassemble and re-assemble generally will take longer and is more labor intensive than just getting a replacement . I did rebuild a lot of circuit boards and transformers in the day. (Yes, you used to be able to rebuild transformers, specifically the H. output ones). I sure wished the last company I worked for had Eric's view that time is money, and you get a warranty with a rebuilt part.
I remember pulling a starter off a running cummins genset on a dredge I worked on. Had been doing the hammer to start thing for a while and we needed to get it rebuilt…and had to keep the dredge running (it was a 24 hour, 6 day a week kind of thing). Not the easiest starter in the world to change, but still remember taping up the 24v leads, and putting in studs in place of the bolts to allow it to slide out without rotating (didn't want the nose to hit the flywheel). Ah to be young and dumb. No other way to have good memories.
Hi Eric, I used to run an auto electrical shop and still do starters and alternators along with other electrical repairs. However domestic units are not really economic. So a warrantied unit from NAPA is the best way in my opinion. I do mainly special units now like vintage tractors and equipment, marine. I also do diagnostics like you and Ivan. Some Alternators are economic if the customer can wait. Parts are available I buy mine from Woodautos in England. Fast and relatively cheap and the shipping is usually faster than the US. AMSCO VALLEY FORGE is another supplier in New York. I work in New Brunswick Canada. Most parts are made in India, China or Taiwan. I still have the equipment to rewind magnetos as well but no call for that now.
Did you see the oil and smoke squirt out of that small hole, what is it, full of that oil that's leaking every where, how long is the new one gonna last. Yeah rebuilding isn't as popular as it used to be, I'm from the 70's, and used to do that but I understand why it's not as common as it use to be. Always enjoy your videos, SMA,, love your quality of work.
In the '80's I had a hot rod boat with a 460 ford. With the high compression of that motor a starter would last about one season. First yea I went to the boat shop. WTF over $300.00 for a "Marine" starter? The next year I noticed the starter straining so I went out shopping. Found a "rebuilt" marine starter for $160.00. The following year that starter was done. I went to small Mom & Pop boat shop looking for a starter. The guy said he didn't have one but said to just go to the Auto parts store and get one for a 460 ford truck. I told him that the other boat shops said it wouldn't work since the starter in the boat mounted up top and the truck one mounted on the bottom. After spending $46.00 for a truck starter I took it back to "Pop". He unscrewed the 3 long screws holding it together, rotated it 33 1/3rd and screwed it back together. He handed it back to me and said," Now it mounts on the top."
Hey, want to start a company buying car parts and reboxing them with "Marine", "SUV","Motor Home" and selling then for 4 or 5 times as much?
No I would never rebuild a starter, if you were a shop. I am a consumer and wouldn't want to hear you rebuilt it, unless the customer asked for it. And yes if you're doing it yourself sure have at it
It's a shame you have to explain to some of the viewers why you do the things that you do Eric. I consider you a top notch mechanic and trust everything you do cause my god you are a great detective mechanic!
I have tried new Chinese starters. No bueno! I have visited a rebuilding shop (before it all moved south to Mexico). Rebuilders clean, paint, and do other things that would be too time consuming and impractical to do in house. The only thing said for doing it in house is you change the parts and you know what went into it.
It's not like the days of old when there were 10 basic starters, just changing the clocking. Where when business was slow, you rebuilt starters and alternators.
The 2 year warranty if it takes a dump and the ability to get reimbursed for labor, makes tossing a Napa component on and calling it a day.
How about listing the torque wrench you used. It makes a lot more noise than mine.
Rebuilding a starter isn’t the best way to go! The starter on my wife’s Hyundai went last winter and couldn’t get one from the parts store or the dealer even!! “Back order”. I disassembled it and all it needed was a good cleaning and hasn’t failed since! I got lucky!!
Recently had my '98 f150 go nuts. Flashing lights, no wiper, ABS on, starter randomly trying to engage w/engine running ⚠️ While waiting for a starter solenoid, I replaced the starter relay solenoid. Problem solved! 10 minutes, $15.