In this video I have a look at a 2007 Chevrolet Suburban that came in with a customer complaint of an entire bank of misfire. A quick scan of the vehicle revealed that it was having issues with all the coil control circuits on bank one. Powers, grounds, ECM? Let's have a look. -Enjoy!
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Oh, it's a wonderful day for a chevrolet, hey there viewers and welcome back to the self made auto channel sitting inside the 2007 chevrolet. It's a suburban uh, it's a half tonner. I believe it's the big five three. We got her running through a code scan now.
The guy dropped it off and told me uh, or at least what mrs zoe wrote down, that it has a entire bank misfire. Now i did start the vehicle up and just pull it from the parking spot around here, uh in front of the bay, and indeed it does run poorly engine light - was flashing. Uh smelt very rich, very gassy, so i just shut it off and figure. Well, we better scan it and see if we can collect some data.
You know before we do any kind of uh investigating and see if his problem is an entire bank of cylinders down lots of codes. There anyways, let's see what we have: engine misfire ignition coil control, ignition, coil control, ignition coil control, one three: five and seven, your classic chevrolet 521 and then fuel system lean. So that's fantastic folks um! This should be pretty cut and dry. So, let's think about this.
For a minute, so we have random cylinder misfire, which we know. Let me start it up, so you can hear it. I don't know if you'll be able to tell or not, but you know i don't want to let it run too much here. That's a lot of that's a lot of raw gas um, but when we look at this ignition coils one three, five and seven, so this is the entire driver side of the engine, the control circuit, um.
The only thing that these all have in common are um powers and grounds, so let's go see what we're missing and see if a little mouse got under there or something like that. Maybe it's a blown fuse from a shorter coil who knows take the lid off of here. So this is the side that we're going to be looking at. We don't want to fiddle.
We don't want to fiddle too much here, we're just going to kind of visual inspection, so one one three, five, seven down the driver's side on your chevrolet um, it doesn't look like anybody has been meddling and things they all not be meddling in, but they uh. I see this lock is out, so somebody perhaps was on the right path, so i'm assuming on these connectors. I think this connector feeds all the coils and they should have a common power in the ground and then control wire. So what we'll need to do? I guess we can just unplug this little fella.
We got a pink and black right there, that's a pretty common general motors power ground. So before we even get out a diagram, let me go grab a little test light. We'll turn the key on see. If we have power ground here and then we'll take it from there, i very well could be wrong on the colors, but i think i'm thinking, let's see okay, so it doesn't light up the test light.
Let's just see, let's leave it in the one we think is power, touch it on the ground. Oh look at that. Ah come on come on baby, so there there we have. We have power on the pink, i'm certain this black one is supposed to be a ground. I could be fun, though i say i'm certain, then i'm sitting here doubting myself. So i tell you what, before we uh back probe that let's um get on the world wide web here and look it up to be certain ignition coils, okay, so one one three: five: seven: okay: g102! Oh you, son of a booski uh protoman, is not very uh friendly with the touchscreen, so uh one three five, seven, that's these coils over. Here we were cracked, the pink is the common. The power low reference is the brown, but the ground is the black lower left front of engine.
Didn't we do the jail, isn't that the one down by the power steering pump? I thought we did a video on this folks, i'm pretty sure. Let me grab a light before we get real far, i'm going to take it's going to back probe right into that round. I'm gon na hook a jumper wire on it. There then we're just gon na ground.
It we're gon na make sure everything everybody over here is happy. I'm just gon na hook it right on this ground strap i'm gon na fire. This pig up see if she runs out all eight now remove this butter baby and then, when we remove the ground. Well, if i can get to it, i'm not happy now, so that's it! That's pretty easy show's over um.
Where did my needle go? I lost my needle man, so i suppose at this point folks, you got a couple options. Uh a option. A we can we'll go, find the ground. This g g, whiz, g102 lower left front of engine, we'll go find it.
It's probably crappy right at the eyelet. You know just based on experience. Uh or b. You could just tap into the ground wire and you know run yourself a new one.
That's up to you. Chances are there's other stuff on g102 that potentially could be suffering from lack of ground. Well, uh. I think it's way down here.
That's that there is a ground wire way down yonder. Here, i'm going to verify that's g102, we'll undo it we'll have a little look at it and see if we can't get this fella going again. I got him weasel out of there folks. So as soon as i touched, let me get this here, the two smaller ones: they they fell right out now the eyelet they were all into.
You know an eyelet this one here i had to wiggle a little bit because we're going to repair all of them. So there's three wires: total there uh they're, just gon na get new eyelets and then probably because they're, a son of a mother to get to down there they're uh. We see it see that gray tab there hold that wiring harness on. They go right behind that.
So we can either put them back there or we can just do your classic gmg 102 relocation kit, they call it uh. We just run the eyelet. You know up here and bolt. It just needs to be bolted to the engine block so either way you fix that it's fixed and it's as simple as that folks now that g102 is the same ground for the left side and the right side.
So, however, there's two separate wires, so it is plausible, like in this situation that just one of them can lose connection where the other bank runs or if you lose them. Both you lose spark on all eight cylinders. Uh, the big clue would be. You know you got injector pulse and, of course, you're gon na have a whole bunch of codes. So uh, you know: what's the common link between them, all you know powers grounds uh. You know what is it there? It's unlikely that all four control wires went bad at the same time, so uh, that's that i'm gon na fix those wires get put back together. Sorry for the boring video, but you see it, how i see it and i want to see you down in that comment - sections the concerns. The comments find us on the institute in the facebook and just my reviewers.
I can do it, you can do it thanks for watching.
I can just imagine what the cost would be if the vehicle was brought to a less scrupulous repair shop. I can see recommendations for a new computer, replacing all the coil packs, all the way to engine replacement. Eric I admire your honesty and you always keeping costs to a minimum.
I do remember another video with that ground but I can't remember what the concern was. Maybe a crank no start? Dunno, nice work, quick and easy just like me.
Recently had this exact issue on my 2008 Tahoe (same color too!). Unfortunately in my case, it decided on the high way it was going to lose its connection to the passenger bank only and dump raw gas straight into a nice hot catalytic converter. Blew it to pieces internally.
Managed to track it down myself and fix it, was quite proud of myself. Found a wire harness diagram on google, that helped tremendously.
when i first read the title, i said to myself plugged cat. i wasn't surprised you found a bad ground, its just i had this happen on my 5.3. was missing on all cylinders on bank 2, but it was only setting misfire codes but check engine light would flash and it would bog down going up hill. cut the cat open on the pass side and it was plugged.
I had a Buick Rainer two days ago. That would run fine and just die out of the blue. It also had the famous oil pressure switch code. Anyhow as I was plugging the oil pressure switch in I happened to lean on the fuse block and the car died. Well I had no power to the coils. Set a bunch of codes and wouldn't restart. Erased the codes and it fired right up. Started to wiggle the fuse box. It died and all the same codes came back. Also one of the clues, the customer said he was having issues with the blower motor shutting of periodically before it died as he was driving down the road. Well power distribution showed all the codes had the same power feed in common. As you say, better to be lucky sometimes thant good.
Oh mr Eric. You are a true hero all around. Well done! I. May be just a woman but i like getting into an engine bay and visially inspecting where i want to start…lol my daddy was a mechanic in ohio for 2 decades before moving the family to AZ. I was born and raised in AZ and was hanging under and over cars next to my dad all my childhood. Love what you do and what you share. Happy Thanksgiving to you and the family! Number 1 desert rat fan here! Love you guys!
Most trouble shooters regardless of what the equipment is, always want to look for something difficult…. I used to call it the "Black box syndrome"…. lol…it has to be the computer…couldn't just be a loose wire…could it..LOL
You've made a career out of rust. Just think, without salt on the roads in winter you would have starved. Even though we don't have ice, snow, and salt down here in Alabama, I love watching you deal with the crusties !
A lot of "techs" today are qualified to only operate a parts cannon. Troubleshooting takes know-how and a brain to use it. In short supply, unfortunately. Thanks for the video Eric.
An 8 minute job, nice !!! That's 7½ jobs per hour at $80 per job, so, 7.5 jobs times eighty bucks per job, equals $600 per hour !!!! At an 8 hour day, that's $4,800 dollars a day !!! Yee Haa – that's a lot of loot !!!! You will need a few trunks to bury all that cash in on your homes property !!! Like a pirate, shiver me timbers !!!! Heck, I don't even get my coffee made and grab a snack that fast – video is over before I even sit in the recliner !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Sure do miss those "scratch my head" trying to figure the problem out videos !!! Guess I'll have to watch Scotty K. videos now !!!!!
Saw that you scrolled right past chrome to use firefox…my man lol but for real the first thing i thought was the ground wire based on that video you did where you just cracked the ground wire loose and tightened it up and things were working again….I wish I had known this a couple years ago when I had my first car, it started misfiring in the rain (but I kept driving because i really didnt know that rumble was a misfire, thought it just ran bad in the rain) then died completely, and wouldnt start or crank….while I was moving across the country…I took it to a mechanic the next day and he just said I needed a new starter motor and charged me ~400 for that plus labor, but couldnt find any other problem…driving away a couple miles down the road my check engine light came on, took it to autozone and it was an 02 sensor code, they sold me one but of course I couldnt install it and they couldnt help so I drove the rest of the way with that light on and eventually learned how to change it out. about a month later got an engine light for the catalytic converter efficiency and the misfires in heavy rain never went away….now after binging all of these videos, I think I had a ground problem that was exacerbated in the rain, affecting current to the coils, causing misfires and large amounts of unburnt fuel to get into the engine, ruining my catalytic converter because I just kept on driving like an idiot lol
you live, watch SMA and ya learn…now im visiting the junkyard every other weekend to get better parts for my car or do trial repairs or disassembles so I dont make mistakes on my vehicle, ive come so far lol
I'm always getting the "yeh rite" when I tell me buddies check the ground. Everyone owns a boat and more than cars ground issues are a common problem, I like when someone can say I told you so!